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	<title>Comments on: Twitter Lists &#8211; Separating Ego and &#8220;Influence&#8221; From Genuine Utility</title>
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		<title>By: White House Press Corps – The Road Warriors of the Fourth Estate Travel to Asia &#124; b-roll.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>White House Press Corps – The Road Warriors of the Fourth Estate Travel to Asia &#124; b-roll.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] -  I&#8217;m hoping you keep tabs on US.  When I get to Andrews I&#8217;m going to put together a Twitter list of journos going on the trip and I hope to share that here before we take off.  If I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] -  I&#8217;m hoping you keep tabs on US.  When I get to Andrews I&#8217;m going to put together a Twitter list of journos going on the trip and I hope to share that here before we take off.  If I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: White House Press Corps &#8211; The Road Warriors of the Fourth Estate Travel to Asia</title>
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		<dc:creator>White House Press Corps &#8211; The Road Warriors of the Fourth Estate Travel to Asia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] -  I&#8217;m hoping you keep tabs on US.  When I get to Andrews I&#8217;m going to put together a Twitter list of journos going on the trip and I hope to share that here before we take off.  If I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] -  I&#8217;m hoping you keep tabs on US.  When I get to Andrews I&#8217;m going to put together a Twitter list of journos going on the trip and I hope to share that here before we take off.  If I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newmediajim</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmediajim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to seeing that Mark!</description>
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		<title>By: newmediajim</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmediajim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, some are meant to specifically be temporary.  I&#039;m going to try and put one together of all the White House Press Corps folk on the upcoming Asia trip.  I&#039;ll probably delete it after we get back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, some are meant to specifically be temporary.  I&#39;m going to try and put one together of all the White House Press Corps folk on the upcoming Asia trip.  I&#39;ll probably delete it after we get back.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Pullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Pullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written a bit on Lists, both for my blog &amp; Mashable, and definitely have formed an opinion about them. First, I ran an informal TwitPoll on whether users would rather be placed on a List or be Followed (not both) or didn&#039;t care. Only 17% of people opted for Lists which, to me, says that most people care less about perceived prestige &amp; more about conversation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, like Followers, the user has absolutely no way of knowing how many people who follow you or a List you&#039;re on actually ever see or read the Tweets you publish. I have 20 Lists, follow another 20 and I only regularly check 3 or 4 of them. It doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t occasionally peek in on the others but it&#039;s not on a daily basis. So, taking the number of Lists you&#039;re on as a sign of your &quot;sphere of influence&quot; is laughable, I think.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re in the early adopter phase, where the tech &amp; social media are trying things out. What happens when a Jonas Brothers superfan is on 2500 Lists? Or spammers/marketers realize that while they can only follow 2,000 Twitterers with their Following List, using Lists they can follow 10,000? Will being &quot;Listed&quot; have the same allure?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only thing certain about Twitter is that in 3 months, it won&#039;t resemble what it looks like today. Lists should be fun &amp; functional and to attach your self-worth or self-esteem to your placement on any List is not only foolish but shallow because, hey, it&#039;s as easy to be taken off a List as put on a List. I put together Lists that I later completely deleted because I had new ones I wanted to create. Lists are works in progress, not written in stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve written a bit on Lists, both for my blog &#038; Mashable, and definitely have formed an opinion about them. First, I ran an informal TwitPoll on whether users would rather be placed on a List or be Followed (not both) or didn&#39;t care. Only 17% of people opted for Lists which, to me, says that most people care less about perceived prestige &#038; more about conversation.</p>
<p>Second, like Followers, the user has absolutely no way of knowing how many people who follow you or a List you&#39;re on actually ever see or read the Tweets you publish. I have 20 Lists, follow another 20 and I only regularly check 3 or 4 of them. It doesn&#39;t mean I don&#39;t occasionally peek in on the others but it&#39;s not on a daily basis. So, taking the number of Lists you&#39;re on as a sign of your &#8220;sphere of influence&#8221; is laughable, I think.</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the early adopter phase, where the tech &#038; social media are trying things out. What happens when a Jonas Brothers superfan is on 2500 Lists? Or spammers/marketers realize that while they can only follow 2,000 Twitterers with their Following List, using Lists they can follow 10,000? Will being &#8220;Listed&#8221; have the same allure?</p>
<p>The only thing certain about Twitter is that in 3 months, it won&#39;t resemble what it looks like today. Lists should be fun &#038; functional and to attach your self-worth or self-esteem to your placement on any List is not only foolish but shallow because, hey, it&#39;s as easy to be taken off a List as put on a List. I put together Lists that I later completely deleted because I had new ones I wanted to create. Lists are works in progress, not written in stone.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeky_geeky</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeky_geeky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: I&#039;m working on a method for determining &quot;diamonds in the rough&quot; (people on more lists than you expect) that I&#039;ll publish once the lists thing settles down a bit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: I&#39;m working on a method for determining &#8220;diamonds in the rough&#8221; (people on more lists than you expect) that I&#39;ll publish once the lists thing settles down a bit).</p>
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		<title>By: EnviroChem</title>
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		<dc:creator>EnviroChem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, in TweetDeck you use &quot;groups&quot; to organize who you follow and these groups can be displayed as individual columns.  If TweetDeck groups incorporated Twitter lists an organizing step could be skipped and it would be much easier to get a new Tweep one is following to appear in the correct column.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in TweetDeck you use &#8220;groups&#8221; to organize who you follow and these groups can be displayed as individual columns.  If TweetDeck groups incorporated Twitter lists an organizing step could be skipped and it would be much easier to get a new Tweep one is following to appear in the correct column.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: newmediajim</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmediajim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, now that would be a smart evolution of lists.  But couldn&#039;t you just create a column in Tweet Deck now as sort of a &quot;list&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, now that would be a smart evolution of lists.  But couldn&#39;t you just create a column in Tweet Deck now as sort of a &#8220;list&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: envirochem</title>
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		<dc:creator>envirochem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m really hoping for is that the new Twitter lists get merged somehow with the existing TweetDeck group functionality so that I can assign someone to a list and their tweets automatically appear in the proper TweetDeck column. For me, this would make Twitter lists truly useful and not just a influence &quot;vote&quot; for someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#39;m really hoping for is that the new Twitter lists get merged somehow with the existing TweetDeck group functionality so that I can assign someone to a list and their tweets automatically appear in the proper TweetDeck column. For me, this would make Twitter lists truly useful and not just a influence &#8220;vote&#8221; for someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: sherylbreuker</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherylbreuker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The potential uses of lists is unlimited. We all have ideas about how to use something and part of the value in anything is in what we can find to do with it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ken has an idea for how to use lists that I see some value in. His idea? Putting people or companies he may not wish to watch closely, yet still wants to be able to check out without having to look them up or remember their user name, into a list and unfollowing them thereby keeping the noise in his twitter stream to a minimum. To each his own.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for where our value is, I would say I&#039;m still skeptical as to how important lists are. Look, if I&#039;m honest I will tell you I put virtually all the people I follow on a list. I made categories that made sense to me. general categories. I&#039;m not terribly creative so they are general. I went through my list methodically and added everybody somewhere. That&#039;s for me. It&#039;s not for other people. it&#039;s for me and me alone. I don&#039;t honestly care what other people think about where I put them because how I remember a person is what keeps them at the forefront of my brain. Aren&#039;t the lists for us?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hear constantly how where you have been placed determines your value. I call bullshit. (sorry, but I do) Half the people I know who I also KNOW truly care about me, haven&#039;t placed me on a list. Of those who did put me on a list, my guess is they put me on a list that made sense to them. Does that raise my value to them? Probably not. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lists suck if everyone is going around comparing how many they are on with others. Why do we have to look outward for validation? It&#039;s not a lot different than how many followers one has. The real questions we should all be asking is how well do those who put us on a list, or for that matter those who follow us in general, know us? How well do we know them? Saying you&#039;re connected to &#039;Jim Long&#039; might boost a persons ego, but why? We&#039;re all connected anyway. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is the biggest topic of discussion focused on one&#039;s influence and how to tell if you have it? It&#039;s a constant game of oneupmanship. We should already know we are relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The potential uses of lists is unlimited. We all have ideas about how to use something and part of the value in anything is in what we can find to do with it. </p>
<p>Ken has an idea for how to use lists that I see some value in. His idea? Putting people or companies he may not wish to watch closely, yet still wants to be able to check out without having to look them up or remember their user name, into a list and unfollowing them thereby keeping the noise in his twitter stream to a minimum. To each his own.</p>
<p>As for where our value is, I would say I&#39;m still skeptical as to how important lists are. Look, if I&#39;m honest I will tell you I put virtually all the people I follow on a list. I made categories that made sense to me. general categories. I&#39;m not terribly creative so they are general. I went through my list methodically and added everybody somewhere. That&#39;s for me. It&#39;s not for other people. it&#39;s for me and me alone. I don&#39;t honestly care what other people think about where I put them because how I remember a person is what keeps them at the forefront of my brain. Aren&#39;t the lists for us?</p>
<p>I hear constantly how where you have been placed determines your value. I call bullshit. (sorry, but I do) Half the people I know who I also KNOW truly care about me, haven&#39;t placed me on a list. Of those who did put me on a list, my guess is they put me on a list that made sense to them. Does that raise my value to them? Probably not. </p>
<p>Lists suck if everyone is going around comparing how many they are on with others. Why do we have to look outward for validation? It&#39;s not a lot different than how many followers one has. The real questions we should all be asking is how well do those who put us on a list, or for that matter those who follow us in general, know us? How well do we know them? Saying you&#39;re connected to &#39;Jim Long&#39; might boost a persons ego, but why? We&#39;re all connected anyway. </p>
<p>Why is the biggest topic of discussion focused on one&#39;s influence and how to tell if you have it? It&#39;s a constant game of oneupmanship. We should already know we are relevant.</p>
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